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Old 23rd April 2017, 09:59 PM
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Are these the same values as 10 years ago? 20? Do we have to update the test by usage every decade?

Democratic process - people in Oz complain about it a lot. One Nation aren't big supporters of our processes, nor are the "sovereign citizens".
I've never met a 'sovereign citizen,' but having briefly read about them unless they are self sufficient hippies they are just hypocrites and illogical. We moan about our democratic processes but the louder the moaner the further they seem to be to coming up with a viable alternative.

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obligatory education for under 16s - but there are groups who say "choice is all" and what about religious schools rather than secular ones?
Religious schools in oz still have curriculum benchmarks that have to be reached, there is at least that. What groups exactly are saying 'choice is all' in Australia regarding education?
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medicare the libs keep trying to get rid of it
That's an emotional statement that is not supported by a shred of evidence Dan. Ideologically, there are probably people on the conservative side that may entertain the prospect but it is, at this time, politically inexpedient - and long may that remain the case. This is jumping at shadows.
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welfare - the libs and libertarians keep trying to get rid of it
austudy - and again blah blah

If these were part of the Australian Values test then a big chunk of our current citizens should get chucked out now!
These are what we have to support and fight for. Even if we lose. I'll stick by them as a bunch of things that can be clearly articulated as Australian values.

I know they're under threat, that is all the more reason they ought to be restated.
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Old 23rd April 2017, 10:01 PM
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Talk of 'values' from these people is the rhetoric of populism.

What are the values of those who get involved in the AFA forum?

Surely one thing deemed important is being informed, which takes time, intellectual honesty.

The forum Topics reflect a way of thinking which needs to become universal.

Working on that.
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These are what we have to support and fight for. Even if we lose. I'll stick by them as a bunch of things that can be clearly articulated as Australian values.

I know they're under threat, that is all the more reason they ought to be restated.
But that's the whole point Pip, restated by who? The people who are saying right now that the values should be part of a citizenship test are the ones who I believe will pick a list that I don't agree with, and neither would you. They are ones who would be thrown out of citisenship if we made our values, that we hold in common, a necessary element to being a citizen.
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