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Old 12th January 2018, 10:34 AM
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Family violence rates rise in Kimberley towns with cashless welfare
Exclusive: Introduction of cashless welfare card coincides with significant increase in domestic violence callouts and assaults, police data shows

Domestic violence has increased significantly in the East Kimberley since the introduction of the cashless welfare card, casting doubt on the government’s claims of its success.

Police data obtained under freedom of information law shows domestic-related assaults and police-attended domestic violence reports increased in the Kimberley communities of Wyndham and Kununurra since trials began in April 2016.

Melbourne University researcher Elise Klein, who has studied the card’s impact in the Kimberley, said the data showed there was no clear evidence to support making the card permanent.

Klein lodged the freedom of information request for the police data. She said the information had taken too long to be made public.

She believes there is a link between the card, financial hardship, and family violence.

“There’s huge amounts of money being spent here, and I guess the real question is, what other wonderful things could be put in place instead of this card?” Klein said.
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Thanks Mr B it really was a dumb idea all along.
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Did it have a "fair test" though? I think it is dumb due to the context, the history of indigenous/ wadjalla relationships, which have been far from ideal. So such paternalistic schemes were bound to fail, especially when causes are not addressed first, like job opportunities, equity in health outcomes, education outcomes and so on. But of course, if more appropriate measures to address these things, the cashless card would be largely unnecessary anyway.
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Old 15th January 2018, 01:36 PM
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There have been systems of cashless welfare for generations, none of them involved cards of course because that's a new technology, and the cashless welfare card is just the latest iteration in a long line of methods. The major problem with any such system is simply the control it enforces. Yes it stops you spending money on undesirable items, but it also effectively prevents you from using money to further useful aims.


You can't save money because you never get it. You can't invest money because you don't have it. You are effectively being punished for the actions of others by losing control over your life. There's an argument for it that it is an easy method to implement, but the arguments against it probably outweigh those. If you lose control of your money you effectively lose control of your life. Those who control the money have control of your life.
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There have been systems of cashless welfare for generations, none of them involved cards of course because that's a new technology, and the cashless welfare card is just the latest iteration in a long line of methods. The major problem with any such system is simply the control it enforces. Yes it stops you spending money on undesirable items, but it also effectively prevents you from using money to further useful aims.


You can't save money because you never get it. You can't invest money because you don't have it. You are effectively being punished for the actions of others by losing control over your life. There's an argument for it that it is an easy method to implement, but the arguments against it probably outweigh those. If you lose control of your money you effectively lose control of your life. Those who control the money have control of your life.
I have always thought that the welfare system should allow for "bootstrapping money" to empower people to get an education, or a new suit for job interviews, or just to lower the stress of bills by being able to pay them off, and maybe create a small reserve?

The best argument for the cashless card is to give the welfare recipients some cash, but use the cashless card for food, clothing etc for their children? Like all laws and policies, it tries to be "one size fits all", and that is bad, for all the reasons you said. But if a parent or parents pisses the welfare money up against a wall, it is the children who suffer. I am not saying everybody on welfare does it of course, but there is significant child neglect because parents misuse the funds they get. I am not blaming them of course, because I have been unemployed and know something about what it is like.
My thought that the cashless card should be an appendix to monetary investment in the unemployed through the welfare system, including some bulk payments to help these folks get out of their black holes.

In other words a humane and yet effective welfare system should be multi-pronged, giving both non-discretionary spending in the form of a card to meet basic needs, an additional basic wage, and cash grants for specific purposes to help address any barriers to employment or empowerment.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the card idea in itself, but it sucks as a sole or "stand-alone solution".
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A cynic might see cashless cards as a precursor to similar treatment for lower-end wage earners: people with less discretionary income are less likely to negotiate rises, strike or quit.
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A cynic might see cashless cards as a precursor to similar treatment for lower-end wage earners: people with less discretionary income are less likely to negotiate rises, strike or quit.
Yep. Society is so fucked up with ingrained and vast inequities it is hard to think of any policy that will both be politically possible and actually work!

In WA Labor was trumped on the gold tax by the fascisto Upper House and so now they are doing a reasonable impression of being right wing and destroying jobs in the welfare, government and education sectors.
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My thought that the cashless card should be an appendix to monetary investment in the unemployed through the welfare system, including some bulk payments to help these folks get out of their black holes.
The cashless welfare card is pretty much irrelevant to any solution, it's basically an answer in search of a question.

Yes we could give them a card that only buys food and clothing, or we could just ignore that middleman completely and just give them food and clothing according the number of people in the family, their ages and etc, we already have that information, we already know what food they need, what clothes the children need, just give it to them. All the cashless welfare card does is give others control, creates an unnecessary cost in administration and distribution.

And in the end it comes down to this, if they want booze they can just take that food and those clothes they were given, or purchased with the cashless welfare card and trade it with the guy down the road for booze. In the end it achieves nothing.
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The cashless welfare card is pretty much irrelevant to any solution, it's basically an answer in search of a question.

Yes we could give them a card that only buys food and clothing, or we could just ignore that middleman completely and just give them food and clothing according the number of people in the family, their ages and etc, we already have that information, we already know what food they need, what clothes the children need, just give it to them. All the cashless welfare card does is give others control, creates an unnecessary cost in administration and distribution.

And in the end it comes down to this, if they want booze they can just take that food and those clothes they were given, or purchased with the cashless welfare card and trade it with the guy down the road for booze. In the end it achieves nothing.
I don't know enough about it, TBH, but wot u say makes a lot of sense Steve.
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