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Old 22nd July 2017, 01:22 PM
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So you are completely dismissing the possibility are you?
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So you are completely dismissing the possibility are you?
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Old 22nd July 2017, 01:46 PM
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Thanks for that, I wasn't stating what I believed to be fact, only an opinion. The one thing that is fact though, is the human perception is only a very narrow scope of the total spectrum. We know what is in that scope, but what is on the other side? We don't know. The dog whistle and the cat thing were only some examples of why it might be worth while looking into, regardless of what excuses others might come up with for not exploring the possibility
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Old 22nd July 2017, 01:54 PM
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Thanks for that, I wasn't stating what I believed to be fact, only an opinion. The one thing that is fact though, is the human perception is only a very narrow scope of the total spectrum. We know what is in that scope, but what is on the other side? We don't know. The dog whistle and the cat thing were only some examples of why it might be worth while looking into, regardless of what excuses others might come up with for not exploring the possibility
Two words: scientific instruments.

If it exists, we can almost certainly measure it.
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Old 22nd July 2017, 07:26 PM
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Thanks for that, I wasn't stating what I believed to be fact, only an opinion. The one thing that is fact though, is the human perception is only a very narrow scope of the total spectrum. We know what is in that scope, but what is on the other side? We don't know. The dog whistle and the cat thing were only some examples of why it might be worth while looking into, regardless of what excuses others might come up with for not exploring the possibility
Nature has patterns. Visible light is only a narrow spectrum, but we have formulas that explain how electromagnetic radiation behaves, eg

Equation Number One: λν = c

Plus there was all this non-visible shit like microwaves, infra-red, X-rays, gamma rays etc. These are all type of electromagnetic radiation, just like visible light, and we can detect them using instruments.

Even before we knew the laws concerning EMR, we could detect X-rays because it fogged photographic film. And an infra-red light, although invisible, can warm an object.

The same with sound. Sound forms patterns, sometimes iterating patterns called harmonics, which makes music so cool. We can't hear the full scale, but again, instruments can.

So even if we can't detect shit with our own senses, eg ionising radiation, we can use a Geiger-counter.

And we are getting to the point where we can detect emotions in brains, and under certain circumstances, thoughts. So thought-controlled equipment.

We can build a instrument to smell as well. [eg detect explosives or illicit drugs]. or anything you like really. And of course microphones can "hear" and speakers can speak, especially with a speech processor computer setup.

We can even record movies on DNA. Stealth coats, like Harry Potter's invisibility cloak. But this isn't magic, it is science, and technological spin-offs from science.

The only thing a chanting guru made sitting on the cold stone floor was a bad case of piles.
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Hi billyboy,

If you are genuinely interested in what we know and how we have come to know it, what we don't know yet and how we are going about finding solutions to the great remaining mysteries, can I recommend Brian Greene, one very talented and patient explainer.

Greene is dedicated to sharing the concerns of theoretical physicists, theories, understandings and methodologies for gaining them, for the ordinary layperson who might happen to read such books, who thus deserve to have them available. Much insight is acquired through mathematics, some of which is in the endnotes to Greene's books.

These books are full of mind-blowing concepts.

I will transcribe a passage to hopefully give you a taste for it, from The Hidden Reality: Parallel Universes and the Deep Laws of the Cosmos. 2011.

'Moreover - and this is the truly daunting part - beyond the specific examples of black holes and the big bang, you can calculate how massive and how small a physical system needs to be for both gravity and quantum mechanics to play a significant role. The result is about 10 to the 19 times the mass of a single proton, the so-called Planck mass, squeezed into a fantastically small volume of about 10 to the minus 99 cubic centimeters (roughly a sphere with a radius of 10 to the -33 centimetres, the so-called Planck length graphically illustrated in Figure 4.1.) The dominion of quantum gravity is thus more than a million billion times beyond the scales we can probe even with the world's most powerful accelerators. This vast expanse of uncharted territory could easily be rife with new fields and their associated particles - and who knows what else. To unify gravity and quantum mechanics requires trekking from here to there, grasping the known and the unknown across an enormous expanse that, for the most part, is experimentally inaccessible. That's a hugely ambitious task, and many scientists concluded that it was beyond reach.

You can thus imagine the surprise and skepticism when, in the middle 1980s, rumours started racing through the physics community that there had been a major theoretical breakthrough toward unification with an approach called string theory.

If an atom were magnified to be as large as the observable universe, the same magnification would make the Planck length the size of an average tree.

String Theory

Although string theory has an intimidating reputation, its basic idea is easy to grasp. We've seen that the standard view, prior to string theory, envisions nature's fundamental ingredients as point particles - dots with no internal structure - governed by the equations of quantum field theory. With each distinct species of particle is associated a distinct species of field. String theory challenges this picture by suggesting that the particles are not dots. Instead, the theory proposes that they're tiny, stringlike, vibrating filaments as in Figure 4.2. Look closely at any particle previously deemed elementary and the theory claims you'll find a miniscule vibrating string. Look deep inside an electron, and you'll find a string: look deep inside a quark, and you'll find a string.

With even more precise observation, the theory argues, you'll notice that the strings within different kinds of particles are identical, the leitmotif of string unification, but vibrate in different patterns. An electron is less massive than a quark, which according to string theory means that the electron's string vibrates less energetically than the quark's string (reflecting again the equivalence of energy and mass in E=mc squared). The electron also has an electric charge whose magnitude exceeds that of a quark, and this difference translates into other, finer differences between the string vibrational patterns associated with each. Much as different vibrational patterns of strings on a guitar produce different musical notes, different vibrational patterns of the filaments in string theory produce different particle properties.

In fact, the theory encourages us to think of a vibrating string not merely as dictating the properties of its host particle, but rather as being the particle. Because of the string's infinitesimal size, on the order of the Planck length, 10 to the -33 centimeters, even today's most refined experiments cannot resolve the string's extended structure. The Large Hadron Collider, which slams particles together with energies just beyond ten trillion times that embodied by a single proton at rest, can probe to scales of about 10 to the -19 centimeters; that's a millionth of a billionth the width of strand of hair, but still orders of magnitude too large to resolve phenomena at the Planck length. And so, just as Earth would look dotlike if viewed from Pluto, strings would look dotlike when studied even with the most advanced particle accelerator in the world. Nevertheless, according to string theory, particles are strings.
In a nutshell, that's string theory'. (pps 79-80, Pelican Books 2011.)

Brian Greene's awesome books online,
The Hidden Reality,

https://www.bookdepository.com/searc...arch=Find+book

The Elegant Universe

https://www.bookdepository.com/searc...arch=Find+book

The Fabric of the Cosmos, $10 Penguin.

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The only thing a chanting guru made sitting on the cold stone floor was a bad case of piles.
Thus proving he was a generic plain human, as we all have them piles things.

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Hemorrhoids are swollen blood vessels in the lower rectum. They are among the most common causes of anal pathology, and subsequently are blamed for virtually any anorectal complaint by patients and medical professionals alike. Confusion often arises because the term "hemorrhoid" has been used to refer to both normal anatomic structures and pathologic structures.
And then he may have been off for some form of dangerous treatment, noting the same article...

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Hemorrhoidal symptoms have historically been treated with dietary modifications, incantations, voodoo, quackery, and application of a hot poker. Molten lead has also been described as a treatment. The adverse effects of these treatments have a direct relationship to whether patients relay persistent or recurrent complaints to the clinician or return for further treatment.
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