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Old 8th April 2017, 09:04 AM
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PS my father was fond of telling a story about the depression when he was a child. When seeing lines of homeless and hungry people in the street he asked his grandmother "Why doesn't the government give them any money?"
She answered "Because it doesn't have any money".

It turns out that the child's wisdom was correct and the grandmother was wrong. The government ensures that it does not have any available cash to help the poor. This is because of maintaining the fiction of protection of capital held by the propertied ruling class to such a degree that the notion that capital is a creation of the state maintained through the enforcement of state institutions is forgotten. That is to say that Government properly sees its role as the protection of capital/maintenance of dispossession, which are two sides of the same coin.
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Old 8th April 2017, 09:31 AM
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PS my father was fond of telling a story about the depression when he was a child. When seeing lines of homeless and hungry people in the street he asked his grandmother "Why doesn't the government give them any money?"
She answered "Because it doesn't have any money".

It turns out that the child's wisdom was correct and the grandmother was wrong. The government ensures that it does not have any available cash to help the poor. This is because of maintaining the fiction of protection of capital held by the propertied ruling class to such a degree that the notion that capital is a creation of the state maintained through the enforcement of state institutions is forgotten. That is to say that Government properly sees its role as the protection of capital/maintenance of dispossession, which are two sides of the same coin.
Reminds me something I heard once about unemployment benefits - the 'safety net' they provide may not be to prevent people starving, rather to protect rich people from an uprising - we pay poor people just enough to prevent them from burning down rich peoples houses and taking all their shit.
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The welfare state concept was a British one, born out of socialist equity philosophy and also as an expedient, a preventive against Marxist revolution.
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If the was a 1%p.a. small tax on assets including cash shares homes and other capital (Small TOE) this would be a much faurer contribution from assets themselves to contribute towards the protection and maintenance of those assets by the State.
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For light on the question 'is individualism valid and of value?' one only needs look to North Korea.

There we have the termination of the very notion.

Instead of the people having food they are fed disinformation.
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For light on the question 'is individualism valid and of value?' one only needs look to North Korea.

There we have the termination of the very notion.

Instead of the people having food they are fed disinformation.
Ah yes but one might just as well say that it is about the individualism of the leader, and his family.
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Individuality is very much a hominem trait, a phenotypic manifestation in our interesting species.

Language (and also art) became implanted in our ancestors' psyche and mental construct, forming their cosmology by the means of memes transmitted and disseminated through this burgeoning language medium, driving cultural evolution and genetic selection.

I think sexual selection certainly was a main driver in the evolution of human brain capacity and capability. The skilled individuals impressed potential mates (which they were seeking to do of course ), and that was the clincher in passing on the genes for those aptitudes.

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"..when language arrived on the scene, this enabled cumulative cultural evolution (and indeed genetic evolution in response to it), a runaway process of ever swifter and more effective amassing of novel designs and discoveries. Language may not be the foundation but I wouldn't call it the capstone; I would call it the launching pad of human cognition and thinking."
Daniel C. Dennett, From Bacteria to Bach and Back, 2017.*

Must the natural and obvious individuality so idiosynchratic to our species delimit individualism? I mean, is individualism inherently and implicitly bad, the cause of division, inequality and ensures our ultimate demise? Is individualism somehow counter-evolutionary, the same as, by analogy, selecting the fittest, most intelligent and bravest to fight in the trenches and then sending them over the top to be mowed down by enfilading machine guns is selection gone horribly wrong?

I don't think anyone claims individualism is antagonistic to human flourishing? That is the doctrine in North Korea for all but the lucky, competitive, shrewd and repugnant elites.

Self-seeking must face constraints. I think that is what is being argued for.

* This I think is Dennett's finest yet. I read Darwin's Dangerous Idea (it started me reading) and Consciousness Explained twice. They warranted rereading. I have 5 Dennett books now. My favourite writer and thinker.
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Self-seeking must face constraints.
And also be harnessed four group value where possible, as that is part of our self seeking.
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