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Old 9th January 2018, 08:46 PM
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Fake news ?
Such as attributing racist comments to the wrong person to further a political agenda ?
Specifics or a one-size-fits-all strawman?

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Lewis, who are you replying to? I'll side with getting to the truth. Dutton has been caught out on this before.

By the way, a bit of unfinished business for you here.

More questions needing answers from Lewis.

And more.

Don't leave 'em undone, will you?
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Specifics or a one-size-fits-all strawman?

INCIDENTALLY: Just a reminder to Lewis that he has unfinished business:
Is this an ongoing feud?

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Old 9th January 2018, 09:52 PM
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INCIDENTALLY: Just a reminder to Lewis that he has unfinished business:
Is this an ongoing feud?

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Nope. Lewis hasn't established any cred yet, but has a number of fairly distasteful opinion pieces dotted about the place.

It's a reminder to him to clear up a few outstanding matters before he has too much backlog.
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Whoever produced the meme in the op is another example of a species I do not understand. Producing and distributing deliberately false information that can serve no purpose - not everyone who passes it on will be told it is wrong and will believe it - it seems like they have some kind of nihilistic indifference and find amusement in the results of their work no matter how it goes.
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Whoever produced the meme in the op is another example of a species I do not understand. Producing and distributing deliberately false information that can serve no purpose - not everyone who passes it on will be told it is wrong and will believe it - it seems like they have some kind of nihilistic indifference and find amusement in the results of their work no matter how it goes.
Perhaps, but also they may fervently believe in their cause and any act of deception is justified by the rightness of the cause, and that is itís purpose. This is ideological thinking, it has the same qualities as theocratic thinking, in my opinion. Or as you say odd, itís trollish. One of the two.
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I had accepted the quote as attributed to Barton.

Until Loki enlightening me.
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Perhaps, but also they may fervently believe in their cause and any act of deception is justified by the rightness of the cause, and that is itís purpose. This is ideological thinking, it has the same qualities as theocratic thinking, in my opinion. Or as you say odd, itís trollish. One of the two.
Matt Dillahunty has mentioned an American politician that knows transitional fossils exist but thinks it's his Christian duty to lie to kids so they don't know know.

Some people have screwed up moralities.

I couldn't argue a point if I had to knowingly lie to do it.

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Old 9th January 2018, 11:38 PM
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Matt Dillahunty has mentioned an American politician that knows transitional fossils exist but thinks it's his Christian duty to lie to kids so they don't know know.

Some people have screwed up moralities.

I couldn't argue a point if I had to knowingly lie to do it.

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Yes you could, if you were convinced that the lie led to a bigger and more important truth. Religiously, we lie because we believe in magic that will justify the lie, in the end. Politically, we lie for a grand-narrative that will produce some type of utopia. The ends justifies the means. The problem is that it’s a delusion, a fantasy, a romance. All we really have is dirt under our fingernails and practical suggestions on how to clean them. When you try going too far beyond that the point has flown by. IMO.

But some of us just can’t get passed the dirt! Thankfully.
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In some ways, the reaction is understandable. The motivation to protect children, I mean. But where do you draw the line? But before you ask that question, how good a grasp of reality do we have? I think most people would lie to thugs if they came up to you, asking which way some "offender" went*. I remember reading a story about US General George S. Patton [Jr] who "rescued" a women being manhandled off a truck by some men. Apparently his chivalrous act was erroneous as the men were not assaulting her, but really were just helping a short women navigating the high tailgate of a large truck.

* But maybe not if that person had read the bible, and the persons fleeing were [allegedly] two angels who the thugs wanted to sodomise. Then the solution is of course, to offer your daughters as a distraction to be raped, no matter what their ages.

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Whoever produced the meme in the op is another example of a species I do not understand. Producing and distributing deliberately false information that can serve no purpose - not everyone who passes it on will be told it is wrong and will believe it - it seems like they have some kind of nihilistic indifference and find amusement in the results of their work no matter how it goes.
There are people who are paid to produce material and post it on the internet to suit an agenda.

My brother (an engineer who is involved in some sustainability stuff on the internet) used to be paid by a green technology company to blog and post about Carbon Capture and Storage. He wasn't allowed to disclose that he was on the payroll, of course, and he didn't fully agree with the approach but.... he needed the money.

Major political parties do (I believe) pay people to produce material and disperse it on the internet, although it's obviously not something they publicise. I'm not sure that is what is going on here. It looks more like what an alt-right group would produce.
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