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Not for "having used" - I am no prohibitionist, but I would suspend members who read positive for enough of anything to impair their judgement.

A certain beetrooty-looking senior member would be a possible example.

Most would test positive for religious addiction, and are therefore disqualified. Some people can't hold their liquor, and some people can't hold their god, like Cory Bernardi and co.
Some goddisms would definitely qualify as "stupefying", if not as "substances".
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Some goddisms would definitely qualify as "stupefying", if not as "substances".
Religion is an addictive substance, working via the placebo or nocebo effect. [Depending on whether religion drives people to do "good" or "bad" works].

They work exactly I the same way as most addictive substances, they mess with the pleasure/reward centres, thus warping the brain's heuristics. Sometimes even sexual extacy is involved.
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Some goddisms would definitely qualify as "stupefying", if not as "substances".
Religion is an addictive substance, working via the placebo or nocebo effect. [Depending on whether religion drives people to do "good" or "bad" works].

They work exactly I the same way as most addictive substances, they mess with the pleasure/reward centres, thus warping the brain's heuristics. Sometimes even sexual extacy is involved.
Catherine of Siena would come under the "ecstatic" heading, but I still say goddism lacks substance.

Some would say that is a telling feature of gods in general.
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@KiP: Yes! Along with regular, random, drug/alcohol and probity tests.
No to the drug tests, that will just see politicians like Fiona Patten kicked out, or can we exempt the ones who openly admit it? lol

Not for "having used" - I am no prohibitionist, but I would suspend members who read positive for enough of anything to impair their judgement.

A certain beetrooty-looking senior member would be a possible example.
Would they be allowed to be on a substance that might transform their judgement?

I feel certain Tony Abbott has never done anything.

Richard Dawkins on the other hand dropped acid in Berkeley and attended demos.

At Oxford on the Rhodes scolarship the Catholic Higher Ups, (Uncle George?) pulled strings to get for Tony, he was more given to the boxing. He came out swinging, still does. They called him 'The Whirling Dervish'.

I wouldn't be for banning 'consciousness altering' substances.
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@KiP: Yes! Along with regular, random, drug/alcohol and probity tests.
No to the drug tests, that will just see politicians like Fiona Patten kicked out, or can we exempt the ones who openly admit it? lol

Not for "having used" - I am no prohibitionist, but I would suspend members who read positive for enough of anything to impair their judgement.

A certain beetrooty-looking senior member would be a possible example.
Would they be allowed to be on a substance that might transform their judgement?

I feel certain Tony Abbott has never done anything.

Richard Dawkins on the other hand dropped acid in Berkeley and attended demos.

At Oxford on the Rhodes scolarship the Catholic Higher Ups, (Uncle George?) pulled strings to get for Tony, he was more given to the boxing. He came out swinging, still does. They called him 'The Whirling Dervish'.

I wouldn't be for banning 'consciousness altering' substances.
Mind affecting drugs are mind affecting drugs. Alcohol is one of them.
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@KiP: Yes! Along with regular, random, drug/alcohol and probity tests.
No to the drug tests, that will just see politicians like Fiona Patten kicked out, or can we exempt the ones who openly admit it? lol

Not for "having used" - I am no prohibitionist, but I would suspend members who read positive for enough of anything to impair their judgement.

A certain beetrooty-looking senior member would be a possible example.
Would they be allowed to be on a substance that might transform their judgement?

I feel certain Tony Abbott has never done anything.

Richard Dawkins on the other hand dropped acid in Berkeley and attended demos.

At Oxford on the Rhodes scolarship the Catholic Higher Ups, (Uncle George?) pulled strings to get for Tony, he was more given to the boxing. He came out swinging, still does. They called him 'The Whirling Dervish'.

I wouldn't be for banning 'consciousness altering' substances.
Mind affecting drugs are mind affecting drugs. Alcohol is one of them.
A is for Abbott; A is also for Alcohol
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@KiP: Yes! Along with regular, random, drug/alcohol and probity tests.
No to the drug tests, that will just see politicians like Fiona Patten kicked out, or can we exempt the ones who openly admit it? lol

Not for "having used" - I am no prohibitionist, but I would suspend members who read positive for enough of anything to impair their judgement.

A certain beetrooty-looking senior member would be a possible example.
I am curious as to how such a test would be conducted and its content? Who makes the determination as to competence? One is deliberating on matters of policy, often implicitly moral considerations.

What about members who are on dexamphetamine or Ritalin for adult ADD, or perhaps for narcolepsy? Or antipsychotics or bipolar medication? They are granted a license to drive.

My dad was a Halifax pilot. The crews were given amphetamines to take on each bombing mission over Germany. Performance enhancers. The soldier faces unique situations. Drugs are certainly an option for the military. That's not parliament however.

Maybe sitting members should be tested for testostrerone.

http://www.army-technology.com/featu...hancing-drugs/

JFK took dex plus a whole battery of meds. He could function. His brain probably just gobbled them up.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=125593&page=1

I think in the future, it will be commonplace to take performance enhancing drugs. Or soma. Micro-dosing on LSD or psilocybin goes on in Silicon Valley, where one has to process data and recognise patterns at much higher than normal capacity, in cyber-jobs.

Certainly the Homo Deus class whom Yuval Noah Harari foresees will dominate the world this century won't be abstainers from designer drugs.
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