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Old 15th February 2016, 06:31 PM
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Oh, duck balls. The ABC's Catalyst program, which is supposed to be a fucking science show, is doing an episode about "the potential dangers of WiFi exposure".

This is just going to increase the number of gullible ignorants who think their health can be harmed by low levels of non-ionising radiation, despite the fact that there isn't a skerrick of evidence supporting the fucking notion.

Christ on a hob-nob, the ABC's shitting its hard-won reputation for excellence in programming right down the side of a cliff.
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Interesting I can't find a reference to it on the catalyst web site but a web search yields this site that I am surprised also doesn't mention wind turbines.

The site seems to cast smart meters in a bad way based on certain research and boo whoing the actual standards for exposure.
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http://etwasluft.blogspot.com.au/201...i-episode.html

Came to my attention this arvo when I turned the tv on and saw the promo. Show due this evening, I understand.
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Oh I didn't mention that site I listed refers to the catalyst program too, interesting.

I expect the site you referenced is correct and it would be disappointing (although not surprising) if catalyst got on the bullshit wagon.
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WiFi devices have a lot of potential [and serious] health issues, but I agree with GM they have nothing to do with the low grade radiation. Smart phones and pads are now like fingers and toes, used all the time, and always with people. So CAD has got more chronic.

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Shits getting real.

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Selective reporting of data
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This could be applied to so many creationist claims as well.
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Maryanne Demasi replies to Catalyst WiFi episode criticism ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/mar..._ref=australia

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The claims that our program "should never have aired" should not sit well with the public. At best, it's an over-reaction. At worst, it's a form of censorship.

Sometimes in science asking questions provides you with answers that may be unsettling. Not because they are conclusive, but because they are inconclusive. It's the duty of scientists and science reporters to encourage critical thinking on issues that are still up for debate.

Several other counties around the world have more stringent radio frequency safety thresholds than Australia. Italy, China, Switzerland and Russia have wireless safety limits, which are a hundred times more stringent than our own. In France, they restrict advertising of mobile phones to children. They have also banned Wi-Fi in nurseries and day care centres.

So I decided to investigate. Why are some countries making these changes and not Australia? To say that this is a fringe view is not sustainable.
Seems reasonable ... but I don't care that much.

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Maryanne Demasi replies to Catalyst WiFi episode criticism ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/mar..._ref=australia

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The claims that our program "should never have aired" should not sit well with the public. At best, it's an over-reaction. At worst, it's a form of censorship.

Sometimes in science asking questions provides you with answers that may be unsettling. Not because they are conclusive, but because they are inconclusive. It's the duty of scientists and science reporters to encourage critical thinking on issues that are still up for debate.

Several other counties around the world have more stringent radio frequency safety thresholds than Australia. Italy, China, Switzerland and Russia have wireless safety limits, which are a hundred times more stringent than our own. In France, they restrict advertising of mobile phones to children. They have also banned Wi-Fi in nurseries and day care centres.

So I decided to investigate. Why are some countries making these changes and not Australia? To say that this is a fringe view is not sustainable.
Seems reasonable ... but I don't care that much.

Eat right, exercise, die anyway.
Everything about that response is non sequitur. I don't know what these "more stringent safety limits" in Italy and so on are, or even if they're a thing, but it's utterly beside the point unless some reasonable evidence can show - and let's be serious, this shit has been fairly thoroughly studied since microwave radiation was first investigated in the 1940's.

There's a good 70-plus years of serious research that has gone into electromagnetic radiation of all the kinds we've managed to discover. So let's do a little exploration into the field, for the sake of shits and giggles.

The electromagnetic spectrum is extremely broad.



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The EM spectrum includes everything photons are involved in. It's all EM radiation. But different frequencies - different photons (yeah, here's your daily dose of wave/particle duality, deal with it, it's just two slightly differing ways of formulating an understanding of underlying field interactions) - have different energy levels and interact differently with different stuff.

For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to make the visible spectrum the boundary (yes, Hack, I know. I wrote a fucking screed about it. I'm trying to be gentle here, and we all know that that means being effectively wrong)

So, simply put, we know pretty well how different EM frequencies interact with different things. We also know that higher frequencies - that is, more energetic EM radiations with shorter wavelengths - can interact with certain molecules and atoms and shit in such a way as to, for example, break chemical bonds. Now, this is a quantum phenomenon, requiring certain specific amounts of energy to be delivered precisely. Electrons don't slowly build energy up and then eventually leap to a higher state. And fucking so on. No-one here wants a fucking lecture about this shit, but it basically comes down to physics.

Anyway: Ultraviolet (which is higher-energy radiation just slightly more energetic than the visible spectrum) causes skin cancers - mostly in the higher-energy UVB range. This is where we start to get into what is called ionising radiation. To put it simply (and yes, Hack, wrong) a photon with a specific and sufficient energy needs to hit an atom and be absorbed by an electron in order to make it jump to a higher energy state and blah-de-blah. To put it more simply: microwave photons don't have the right energies to cause cancers. They are insufficiently energetic to cause ionisation.

Microwaves can cook you, but they can't ionise and so can't cause your cells to grow incontrollably, especially at the energies we use them in mobile devices.
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There's a good 70-plus years of serious research that has gone into electromagnetic radiation of all the kinds we've managed to discover. So let's do a little exploration into the field, for the sake of shits and giggles.
Thanks GM. I appreciate the "simple" explanation.

And I understand there is more to it. I trust Hack will be gentle with you
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